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Malorkayel
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:15 pm Reply with quote
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James Young and the USA Midwest team defeated Canada by a final score of 100-86 to win the 2012 Nike Global Challenge.

Young was named Tournament MVP, averaging 18.5 points and 6.2 rebounds over four games. Joining Young on the US All-Tournament team were teammate Bobby Portis, along with Theo Pinson, Troy Williams, Nigel Williams-Goss and Sindarius Thornwell.

Andrew Wiggins was International Tournament MVP for the second consecutive year, sharing the honor with Canada teammate Trey Lyles.

Wiggins averaged 19.7 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 2.3 steals per game. Lyles averaged 21.0 points and 9.0 rebounds.

Wiggins and Lyles were joined on the International All-Tournament Team by Dereke Reese, Justas Tamulis, Deryk Evandro Ramos and GAO Shang.

Shang was the tournament’s leading scorer, averaging 27.2 points per game.

Marcus Lee led the tournament in blocks, averaging 3.0 per game to go with 12.5 points and 8.8 rebounds.
Via RealGM Staff Report
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pryuen
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:24 pm Reply with quote
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Gao Shang is with the China U18 national team.



We have talked about him earlier in the forum.

http://www.yaomingmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15615
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pryuen
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:27 pm Reply with quote
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Scouting report of Gao Shang from DataExpress.

Gao Shang SUX in defense.


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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gao-Shang-7131/

Gao Shang, 6-6, SG/SF,
Guangdong, China, 1994


Jonathan Givony


Strengths

-Good size for a wing
-Solid frame
-Very good athlete
-Quick feet
-Can elevate around the basket
-Outstanding scoring instincts

-Led the tournament in scoring at 33 points per game
-Can create his own shot with either hand
-Good ball-handler
-Can change speeds, directions with ball
-Strong crossover
-Great footwork

-Uses Eurostep moves well
-Takes the ball strong to the basket
-Solid shooter from beyond the arc
-Deep range
-Very competitive player
-Rebounds
-Shows nice toughness

Weaknesses:

-Extremely wild and forces issue badly at times
-Doesn't know limitations
-Extremely turnover prone
-Underwhelming passer
-Poor shot-selection
-Extremely poor defender

-Short arms
-Poor defensive fundamentals
-High-level basketball experience looks limited
-Doesn't really know how to play against similarly talented/organized teams

Outlook:

Scored over 30 points in all three games he participated in. Led tournament by a wide margin in scoring. Helped Team China have a very competitive tournament, including a surprising win over KK Zagreb. Looks to have a significant future in international basketball. Extremely unpolished at the moment on both ends of the floor, but shows great talent. Speculation is he was born in 1992, not 1994 as listed.
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pryuen
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:07 am Reply with quote
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Geeeeeeeeez, AN EXTREMELY BAD scouting report on Gao Shang and on Chinese basketball too !!!

So don't place TOO HIGH A HOPE on Gao Shang.
There is STILL alot of work ahead to change his mentality of his game. He needs to work MUCH HARDER on his defense.


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http://thebasketballpost.com/2012/07/15/2012-nike-global-challenge-recap-gao-shang-and-chinese-basketball-.aspx

2012 Nike Global Challenge Recap:
Gao Shang and Chinese Basketball


By Josh Stirn

The first game of the Nike Global Challenge Saturday was between China and Brazil. It was a close game all the way through until Brazil pulled away at the end to win 85-75. The international teams didn't have as much talent as the American teams, but they did a good job of playing team ball and a lot of them have played together for years.

For China, they were very much like how you would expect a Chinese to be. Very mechanical and fundamentally sound, communicating a lot defensively, and a little overwhelmed athletically. Chinese basketball is very interesting. A lot of people clown on AAU basketball in America because it teaches bad habits, but it is all a very natural form of basketball and allows players to express their games freely and more creatively. Players may not do much thinking, but they learn how to be creative and reactive. AAU ball does bring some good things to the game.

In China, it is all about the team. There isn't usually one guy. Teams play as a unit, and they usually play with the same unit their entire youth. They don't really have much of an identity individually, but instead as a team. Most of the time, nobody stands out and it is designed to be that way. But while they play together and efficiently, they aren't breeding NBA talent. Part of that can be attributed to athleticism and lack of experience. Plenty of other counties though, have at least been able to produce a few good guard talents. You would think a country obsessed with hoops and with the world's largest population could do the same thing.

Their players lack individuality. They are all the same and have no room in the system to venture from it. That is how they are taught. Successful basketball starts with the fundamentals, but there is much more growing after that. Plenty of guys have fundamentals. It doesn't make you a NBA talent.

The Chinese look at basketball too much like baseball. With baseball, there isn't much to it. Its pretty simple - either you can hit the ball or you can't. With basketball, you can be able to shoot, run, jump, dribble, pass, etc all the essentials but unless you know how to assert yourself from your team, you will never stand out. Their team philosophy is good in theory, but if they want to produce NBA guys like I know they do, they are going about it the wrong way.

I am saying all this to draw some thought, but I also wanted to lead this post into talking about China's star player, Gao Shang. Shang isn't your typical Chinaman. He plays the game extremely aggressively and is almost the opposite kind of player as the rest of the team. On this Chinese team, he is probably someone they need.

But Shang takes it the polar opposite direction. He drops 30 points a game in just about every big time event he attends, but he doesn't do much of anything else. He cherry picks defensively and doesn't try to keep his man in front of him, is a poor rebounder for what he could be, and isn't a willing passer. He is a guy who is in straight attack mode at all times. Like I said, with the rest of China playing within the system, he is almost needed to not make them too predictable and easy to stop.

He loves to leak out on transition and the rim is in his mind as the end destination. He gets there a lot, knows how to draw fouls, but he really isn't a great athlete or that explosive at the rim. He is able to handle contact offensively (but on defense he is unwilling to battle). He still isn't a creative finisher and gets his shots blocked often. There isn't much to his drives. I mean, yes he has a little Euro step and can change his speeds up some. And he does have a nice crossover for an otherwise ordinary ball handler. He mainly just has the attacking mentality and drives hoping to get fouled. I'd be hesitant to even say he is good at it.

He does appear to be a good shooter, where he hit four of seven from three-point range at the game I attended today. I noticed that all of his shots were on spot up opportunities. If he puts the ball on the floor, he is going to try to go to the rim. He never showed he could create his own shot or shoot off the dribble.

For an elite scorer, his game is extremely simple and it is going to catch up to him. DraftExpress has a profile on him and says he can be a very significant overseas down the road and honestly I even have a hard time seeing that. He is so bad at everything else in his game. He doesnt defend, turns the ball over at a ridiculous rate, doesn't pass, is an average athlete, doesn't rebound, basically everything besides scoring he does terribly. If he improved his effort that could change, but his complete disinterest in defense is a major turnoff.

Playing for a team that has no other standouts also has to help him. Everyone else does all the little things while he is purely focused on points. Nobody else tries to create anything, so he has the privilege of being able to make all the plays. I imagine that Shang has watched plenty of NBA games.

While Shang is lighting up box scores and appearing as Chinese baasketballs next hope, that is far from the truth. The real hope with Chinese basketball is they find a solution to fix their ability to develop players. Having a bunch of system players and then one polar opposite guy is deterring the whole team from reaching their potential. Basketball is not meant to be played that way. The best way China can learn how to produce talent is from the United States. Knowing the Chinese though, they have too much pride in themselves to seek outside help.

So until their genetic engineering runs full circle in a few generations you can bet they will continue to suffer from mediocrity. Lets talk about China when the next Yao Ming comes around.


(Just kidding about those last two sentences...kind of)
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Malorkayel
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:18 am Reply with quote
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I don't even know who the fvck this guy is. I was just curious.

For all I care, China can say fvck with basketball and fvck the NBA and just concentrate on their own league or other sports.

Just reading how westerners treat any Chinese athletes, it's embarrassing to be an American.

There is a reason USA doesn't promote soccer, because we suck at it. And because we suck, the sport suck. The Chinese can very easily build the same attitude towards basketball.
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Dr. No
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:03 am Reply with quote
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pryuen, aka yaorule wrote:
Geeeeeeeeez, AN EXTREMELY BAD scouting report on Gao Shang and on Chinese basketball too !!!

So don't place TOO HIGH A HOPE on Gao Shang.
There is STILL alot of work ahead to change his mentality of his game. He needs to work MUCH HARDER on his defense.
because he is U18 and all his deficiencies as noted by the "scout report" are correctable, unlike plateaued Sun, he still has potential.

    he is an attractive prospect for NCAA coaches to recruit
it's about time that you stop parroting and express and defend ur own opinion
    (rather than to rely on Ms Turd Chin to bail you out)
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pryuen
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:51 am Reply with quote
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Dr. No wrote:


because he is U18 and all his deficiencies as noted by the "scout report" are correctable, unlike plateaued Sun, he still has potential.



First of all, his age is fake. Gao Shang is not born in 1994. He is born at least in 1992.

He was expelled
out of the U16 and U17 by Fan Bin cos he was deemed UNCOACHABLE: bad attitude, incorrectable habits, turnover prone, ego-centric, not willing to pass, disinterested and poor in defense, EXACTLY as described in the scouting report.

YEAH....CORRECTABLE???

He might be able to correct some of his bad habits, but when it comes to stuff like MENTALITY and ATTITUDE, it's like a leopard can't change its spots.
江山易改本性难移

It is just LIKE YOU. WHEN will you start to stop acting like a douchebag, stop personally attacking others, and admiting you're wrong???


NEVER !!!!!!
Rolling Eyes
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Malorkayel
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:05 am Reply with quote
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It's strange that people b1tch about the Chinese basketball system, but will also defend it if a player tries to do their own thing and be creative.

People hate the current oppressive mechanical system, but would want to replace with a different oppressive mechanical system. WTF???
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Dr. No
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:09 am Reply with quote
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yaorule wrote:
First of all, his age is fake. Gao Shang is not born in 1994. He is born at least in 1992.


YEAH....CORRECTABLE???
20 is still young.

iirc, you claim that the one-time 23 yr old Sun Yue (with an inconsistently shooting release) can adapt and adjust.

why not the 20-yr old Gao Shang Rolling Eyes Question Exclamation Exclamation Rolling Eyes
yaorule wrote:
江山易改本性难移
this captures the essence of you

you can take the old fart out of his environment, 江山, but you can't take the parrot out of the old fart.
yaorule wrote:
color=darkred]He might be able to correct some of his bad habits,[/color] but when it comes to stuff like MENTALITY and ATTITUDE, it's like a leopard can't change its spots. 江山易改本性难移
that all depends on the individual.

while YaoMing adapted to the rougher / dirtier / cut-throat completition in the NBA,
    both the lazy ZZW and skill-challenged plateaued sun wilted.
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bobliu
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:03 am Reply with quote
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It looks like there are a few prospects that could move China to the next level. By the year 2016, CNT could send a team that has Yi Jianlian, Guo Ailun, Wang Zhelin, Zhou Qi, Mu Guohao, Zai Xiaochuan, Gao Shang, Duan Jiangpeng, etc. Current CNT members who are 24 years old or youngers could be part of that too.

Chinese basketball is certainly rising and will move up in the world rankings gradually in the next ten years.
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