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| Dr. No |
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By FRANK H. WU San Francisco
ON June 23, 1982, in Detroit, a young man named Vincent Chin died. Four nights earlier, he had been enjoying his bachelor party with friends at a local bar when they were accosted by two white men, who blamed them for the success of Japan’s auto industry. “It’s because of you we’re out of work,” they were said to have shouted, adding a word that can’t be printed here. The men bludgeoned Mr. Chin, 27, with a baseball bat until his head cracked open.
The men — a Chrysler plant supervisor named Ronald Ebens and his stepson, Michael Nitz — never denied the acts, but they insisted that the matter was simply a bar brawl that had ended badly for one of the parties. In an agreement with prosecutors, they pleaded to manslaughter (down from second-degree murder) and were sentenced to three years of probation and fined $3,000.
I was a Chinese-American teenager growing up near Detroit then. I remember the haunting photograph of a smiling, fresh-faced Mr. Chin, shown repeatedly in newspapers and on TV, and the tears of his mother, Lily Chin, who lamented that his killers had escaped justice. Mr. Chin was buried on the day he was to have been married.
The killing catalyzed political activity among Asian-Americans — whose numbers had steadily increased since the 1965 overhaul of immigration laws but who then represented only about 1.5 percent of the population — as never before. “Remember Vincent Chin” turned into a rallying cry; for the first time, Asian-Americans of every background angrily protested in cities across the country. For all that Asians had been through — racial exclusion, starting with a ban on Chinese migrant labor in 1882; the unconstitutional detention of Japanese-Americans during World War II; the legacy of America’s wars in the Philippines, Korea and Vietnam — no single episode involving an individual Asian-American had ever had such an effect before. And none has since.
The circumstances of the Chin case were no accident. The early 1980s were, like now, a time of malaise. The unemployment rate was at its highest since World War II; inflation was stuck in the double digits; “Japan Inc.” threatened to devour not only Detroit manufacturing but also New York real estate. White flight had emptied a great metropolis that once stood for industrial progress. Imported cars became a hated symbol of foreign encroachment.
Spurred by Asian-American activists, federal prosecutors brought civil rights charges against the two assailants in 1983. (The men denied using racial epithets, as some witnesses had reported.) The stepfather, Mr. Ebens, was convicted of violating Mr. Chin’s civil rights and sentenced to 25 years in prison, but the conviction was overturned on appeal.
The Chin case showed the power of the saying
“You all look the same.” An assimilated son of Chinese immigrants somehow came to be identified with Japanese automakers. (That Asian-Americans made up much of the engineering force at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler seems not to have occurred to the attackers.)
“Asian-Americans” — a term that many Asian-Americans themselves do not use — are, of course, more a demographic category than a community arising from shared language, religion, history or culture. Yet for all our diversity, we share an experience of otherness. The fifth-generation Japanese-American from California, the Hmong refugee in Wisconsin, the Indian engineer in Texas, the Korean adoptee in Chicago and the Pakistani taxi driver in New York — all have at times been made to feel alien, sometimes immutably so.
Thirty years after Mr. Chin’s death, hate crimes seem to be a remote threat for Asian-Americans. But it is premature, if tempting, to celebrate progress.
On Tuesday, a Pew Research Center study, “The Rise of Asian-Americans,” reported that Asians overtook Hispanics in 2009 as the country’s fastest-growing ethnic group and now represent 5.8 percent of the population. It reported that Asian-Americans, on the whole, have higher incomes and better educations than whites, blacks or Latinos. Though the study noted that discrimination, poverty and language barriers still confront refugees, undocumented immigrants and other vulnerable groups, Asian-American advocates for social justice winced. Despite decades of debunking by social scientists and historians, the model minority myth — Asian-Americans as overachieving nerds — persists. The study was based on a rigorous survey, though relying on self-reported attitudes and behaviors is not a fireproof methodology.
But the more important criticism is this: When it comes to race, nuance matters. The Pew findings encourage us to consider how positive attitudes may contribute to socioeconomic success. But history also teaches us that before Asian-Americans were seen as model minorities, we were also perpetual foreigners. Taken together, these perceptions can lead to resentment. And resentment can lead to hate.
Vincent Chin has lived longer in memory than reality. Today China, not Japan, is on the rise. Another recession has come to an uneasy close. Detroit limps along. Asian-Americans, through increasing civic participation, have asserted themselves as members of the body politic and reached some of the highest offices in government, academia and business.
Asian-Americans who have achieved success owe a debt to the agitators who followed the Chin case, often defying their own cultural backgrounds as well as the stereotype of passivity and quiescence. Everyone who cares about the promise of our increasingly diverse nation ought to see in this case the possibility of social change arising from tragic violence.
Frank H. Wu, chancellor and dean of the Hastings College of the Law, University of California, is the author of “Yellow: Race in America Beyond Black and White.”
He is writing a book on the Vincent Chin case. |
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| temuchin |
| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:20 pm |
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haha this Moranus posting that these issues are
Dr. Moranus wrote: make[sic] things up
in the other thread
and then he quotes frank wu in this thread
lol Moranus if you hadn't flunked out of UC for plagiarism you would have gotten an education and realized that the weak crap I cry about concerning Asian Americans is this basic stuff
in fact a large portion of the stuff that originally got you raging at me years ago was teaching you how Asians aren't advancing in Liberal society like you think they are... which imploded your worldview of eating innout and kissing jewish ***** as your tactic to get ahead in America
vincent chin hasn't done ******. Ivy league schools discriminate MORE towards Asians than in 1982. the LA Riots happened 10 years after Chin and no one helped asians who were targeted by blacks. the crying that effete Chinese liberals like Wu isn't wrong but it hasn't done ******.
what's affected the change we have had isn't crying by activists or Moranuses trying to kiss jewish *****, demonstrate slavish loyalty and hoping for handouts. it's going to be cultural and economic power like
- economic power of Japan, Korea and now China over the past 30 years
- cultural influence of Kpop and AA youtube artists, comedians, gurus etc
- impact of Jeremy Lin, Yu Darvish, Shin Soo Choo, etc in sports
as I told you in the other thread, the media has it wrong. I know that made you ****** your pants and cry out of your eyes but it's the truth.
it story is about Obama Fail and diminished Mexican immigration, not some overwhelming Chinese immigration. look at the African immigration numbers to Europe... those are big numbers
they paint it as YELLOW PERIL... the Chinese are coming! the Chinese are coming! it's not even the Japanese are coming or the Koreans are coming... because those people are more acceptable. but it's that a MASSIVE WAVE of soulless, ignorant, Chinese are coming to take over. |
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| YM |
| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:56 pm |
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Quote: Statement from Leadership Education for Asian Pacifics, Inc. (LEAP) on Pew’s Research Study on Asian Americans
Los Angeles, California June 20, 2012 – LEAP is encouraged by the Pew Research Center’s first step to study the important and burgeoning Asian American community in their recent study The Rise of Asian Americans. While their research on the community paints a rosy picture, the Asian American community is not monolithic and many segments of the population, who were featured only as “other”, face a significantly more difficult climb.
The study clearly identifies the importance of job and career success to Asian Americans and that they do not believe that being Asian makes no difference to school admission or hiring and promotion decisions. Yet, for Asian Americans at the highest levels of leadership in corporate America, academia, government, nonprofits and foundations, the actual numbers paint a completely different picture.
LEAP’s own research studies, launched in 2009 to measure current Asian and Pacific Islander (API) representation at the highest levels of leadership positions in different sectors of U.S. society, found that although APIs are the fastest growing minority group and a vital part of the nation’s talent pipeline, APIs remain one of the least represented groups in leadership roles:
Fortune 100:
• In 2011, only 30 companies had API representation on their boards
• 29 API directors held 32 board seats out of 1,211 total seats
• 2 out of 100 CEOs were of API descent
Top 100 Nonprofits:
• In 2011, only 47 nonprofits had API representation on their boards
• 75 API directors held 78 board seats out of 3,051 total seats
• No API served as CEO
Top 100 Foundations:
• In 2010, only 24 Foundations had API representation on their boards
• 36 API directors held 37 board seats out of 748 total seats
• No API served as CEO
Further findings on executive suite representation will be shared by LEAP on June 27, 2012 when the sixth and newest leadership series report, API Executive Officers and Top Earners in the Fortune 500 is released.
We strongly encourage the Center to dive deeper in their future reports addressing Asian Americans and report on much needed disaggregated data research and analysis to paint a clearer and more complete picture of the vast diversity of issues affecting differently all subgroups that make up this community.
About LEAP:
Leadership Education for Asian Pacifics, Inc. (LEAP) is a national organization founded in 1982 with a mission to achieve full participation and equality for Asian and Pacific Islanders (API) through leadership, empowerment and policy. With original programs in leadership training, public policy research and community education, LEAP raises the impact and visibility of APIs in all sectors. LEAP is headquartered in Los Angeles and has an office in Washington, DC.
CONTACT: Rima K. Matsumoto
VP, Research & Strategic Alliances
Tel. (202) 412-4190
rmatsumoto@leap.org
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| temuchin |
| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:28 pm |
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College admissions merely starts the pattern of discrimination that white collar Asian Americans face. It's harder to get into school and you have to pay more for the privilege of going to school than people of other skin colors. Then you enter the work force you work more hours, get paid less, get denied promotions and benefits. You have fewer opportunities for lateral moves as well.
Look at Moranus. Maybe if he were born with more melanin in his skin he could have lasted a full 2 years at his job, instead of being fired after his first annual review.
All joking aside, if you go back 40 years there wasn't much discrimination in elite college admissions. This is because Asians made up such a tiny percent of the population that if you admitted every Asian who DESERVED to go to Harvard, it still wouldn't pollute the campus with more than few percentage points of Asian faces.
In the 80s you saw the first real waves of the children of the Asian immigrants following the repeal of Asian Exclusion laws in the 60s. The "problem" from the eyes of Ivy League and other elite schools is that these kids represented the children the elite brain drain of Asia: mainly Taiwan and Korea. Although Asians represented about 1.5% of the population, by the late 80s you had 10-20% of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford being Asian. If you were Korean and your dad went to SNU or Taiwanese NTU, you literally could have 50 kids in school whose dads went to the same medical school back in Taiwan or Korea. The admissions offices saw this as a huge problem... just the idea that 1/3 or more of your school could be Asian (and that number only grow) was a horrifying thought. Not only due to Liberal prejudice which automatically saw Asian faces as less desirable than black, latino, female, jewish faces but also racist notions of how much such Asian alumni would contribute after graduation. How much would the quality of life on campus be affected if so many Asians were allowed on campus? Would the school even be able to retain its character in the face of such Yellow Peril? It sounds like a bad joke today but that's actually a huge concern they had.
You actually hear that ****** from Liberal white teachers at Stuyvesant in NYC today. How all the Chinese kids have fundamentally changed the character of the school, even insinuations that the school would be better with fewer Chinese and how it's somehow "unfair" to the white, black, latino kids that there are so many Asian (primarily Chinese) kids who grind so hard that better balanced kids of other races are forced to compete. There was an article in the NY Times last year where a teacher all but admitted that he tries to help white and black kids get into Ivy schools above the Chinese kids in his classes.
In the early 90s the Justice Department released findings that there was indeed racism in Ivy League admissions but decided not to prosecute. A big problem was that the general Asian public like Moranus was in no position to even know about this discrimination. and even if they did it would seem a remote and irrelevant issue to their lives... it was something practically from another world anyways... like some issue of succession at the Vatican. The Asians who knew most closely the details of this discrimination were Asians in those institutions themselves. But being Asian, it didn't really concern them. First of all they were all already in college or med school or law school. The problems of those who didn't make the cut didn't really bother them. Even if there was discrimination, making an issue of it seemed like looking backwards. They were much more interested in getting into grad school or a good internship than focusing on something that wouldn't directly benefit them anyways. Also these Asians thought it wouldn't be a problem for their kids, because Ivy league schools have traditionally admitted any decent kids of alumni. Others, mainly Chinese, asserted that the problem would "get better" inevitably even if they did nothing. Much like Moranuses today insist that it's only matter of time before Chinese Americans supplant Jews as the model minority in the US...
Of course 25 years later the problem is much worse not better. And the racism has filtered down to a host of non-Ivy League schools. Now all those Asians are crying because they did nothing and now even their own kids are discriminated against. You have female alumni who married white or black dudes who have their kids put down "white" or "black" as race since their surnames are not Asian... to try to get a fairer shake in admissions at their own schools lol. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:32 am |
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temuchin wrote: vincent chin hasn't done ******.
what an easy choice
- the considered opinion of Frank Wu, the Dean and Chancellor of Hastings School of Law, and one who has actually live thru the Vicent Chin murder or
- the make-up craps by Ms turd chin
temuchin wrote: if you go back 40 years there wasn't much discrimination in elite college admissions. This is because Asians made up such a tiny percent of the population that if you admitted every Asian who DESERVED to go to Harvard, it still wouldn't pollute the campus with more than few percentage points of Asian faces.. |
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Dr. No wrote: - the considered opinion of Frank Wu, the Dean and Chancellor of Hastings School of Law, and one who has actually live thru the Vicent Chin murder or
- the make-up craps by Ms turd chin
- the opinion of a paid employee of Leftist, Jewish indoctrination camps (US college campuses)
- the uncensored truth from a complete free agent under no professional peer pressure or gag order
what an easy choice |
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| temuchin |
| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:05 pm |
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lol Moranus you didn't even understand what Wu wrote. what specifically do you disagree with?
you literally didn't comprehend what he wrote nor my post. you posted a general statement that
Dr. Moarnus wrote: I agree with the him and disagree with you
WHAT do you agree or disagree with? Using WORDS express your point. instead of sounding like a complete retard
voyd wrote: Dr. No wrote: - the considered opinion of Frank Wu, the Dean and Chancellor of Hastings School of Law, and one who has actually live thru the Vicent Chin murder or
- the make-up craps by Ms turd chin
- the opinion of a paid employee of Leftist, Jewish indoctrination camps (US college campuses)
- the uncensored truth from a complete free agent under no professional peer pressure or gag order
what an easy choice
I don't know Wu's agenda but he's clueless
Quote: Thirty years after Mr. Chin’s death, hate crimes seem to be a remote threat for Asian-Americans. But it is premature, if tempting, to celebrate progress.
remote threat? lol really? tell that the SE Asian kids who were repeatedly beaten in Philadelphia by black kids for being Asian. tell that to Davis Do who was disfigured by blacks outside a bar for (of all things) having a WHITE GIRLFRIEND which the blacks took offense to and started yelling slurs. when he stood up for himself (he was Viet not Chinese) they ganged up on him while yelling more slurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Zi7V9mtic
Quote: Davis Do was attacked outside McDonough's Soho bar earlier this month. He went there with his girlfriend to celebrate his 22nd birthday, but the couple never made it inside. Do was surrounded and beaten by a group of men who left him bloody and unconscious, his girlfriend said.
"We thought he was dead," Do's girlfriend Gloria Harvey said.
McDONOUGH, Ga. - McDonough police have arrested four young men in connection with a violent attack that happened outside a bar in the Henry County city.
The four men surrendered Monday. One more suspect is not yet in custody.
McDonough police arrested Joshua Rashad Berry, 19, Mondarius Head, 19, Montez Quendarius McKibben, 20, and Oreterro Chanez Watson, 19, all of Jackson, on charges of aggravated assault.
Investigators say the suspects all played football at Jackson High School in Butts County. Several of them are now playing college football.
Authorities say their high school football coach played a key role in persuading the suspects to surrender.
The victim, 22-year-old Davis Do, was attacked while celebrating his birthday with his girlfriend. He suffered a broken jaw and other injuries, and was hospitalized for several days.
Do will undergo another medical procedure tomorrow.
The suspects all face aggravated battery and affray charges. The men who have surrendered are expected to appear in court Tuesday.
of course the media paints these blacks as "good kids." just like Travyon was a "good kid" it's not a case of racial attack, even if the IMPETUS for the attack was racial and they yelled slurs during the attack.
in fact they aren't even black. Obama goes out of his way to identify his "white grandmother" whom he says... despite raising this mixed black kid whose dad and mom ran out on him... was racist. she was "a typical white" Obama says. discussing Rodney King in the news the first sentence of any report is establishing that the 4 officers charged in King were "white." even though 1 of them was hispanic, they were all "white." Zimmerman... who is Latino and Jewish... is repeatedly referred to as "white" in multiple references in any media report. but Do's assailants... they have no race. even though they were yelling slurs at an ASIAN and talking about blacks and white women... they have no race. race is a non issue. why even mention it in the news? it's not like they were WHITE or CHINESE. now those ethnicities, you need to highlight for every crime report. but mentioning the black assailants in a hate crime? no way. if the media went around reporting black on asian crimes as having black assailants... how could token Asian Dean Professor Frank Wu tell Moranus "hate crimes seem to be a remote threat for Asian-Americans"??
the media plays up the 7 on 1 Chinese on Chinese attack last year but blacks-out coverage of the 100 on 20 attacks of blacks on SE Asians in Philly schools that went on for weeks. Chinese morons like Moranus lament Asian on Asian violence but remain completely ignorant and entirely unconcerned with black on Asian hate crimes. he freely posts crap from Wu who basically thinks the Vincent Chin case is the one case of violence in the past 30 years with hate crimes today seemingly a thing of the past
the LA Riots? about some girl who got shot. a POGROM against Asians in America? nah that's not racial, let alone racist. it's not like Asian storeowners had gangbangers and crackheads come into their store every day for decades and steal, assault and rob them like Rodney King before his famous police incident... no wait ....
AA activists like Wu are WORTHLESS. of course he sees no hate crimes when any crimes against Asians are automatically attributed to other sources. he can give himself a nice pat on the back and enjoying his position as the Houseboy for the Liberals. He's the token Asian in the coalition, with maybe the one ambition to move up a spot or two in the pecking order if he's a good boy and plays by their rules and is a really good follower. actually stand up and take leadership? challenge the status quo? nah that's not for FOLLOWERS like Chinese American Professor and Activist Frank Wu, it's for LEADERS. it's not even his place to take a hard look at college admissions for Asians in his own profession. Trust him. If there really were a problem for Asians, Dershowitz or Obama would be talking about it...
meanwhile he'll write a book or two lambasting Christians or whites, kissing jewish and black ***** and weakly discussing the importance of "vigilance" and "unity" while Do gets his head bashed in and kids are terrorized for being black. |
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temuchin wrote: tell that to Davis Do who was disfigured by blacks outside a bar for (of all things) having a WHITE GIRLFRIEND which the blacks took offense to and started yelling slurs. when he stood up for himself (he was Viet not Chinese) they ganged up on him while yelling more slurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Zi7V9mticQuote: Davis Do was attacked outside McDonough's Soho bar earlier this month. He went there with his girlfriend to celebrate his 22nd birthday, but the couple never made it inside. Do was surrounded and beaten by a group of men who left him bloody and unconscious, his girlfriend said.
"We thought he was dead," Do's girlfriend Gloria Harvey said.
McDONOUGH, Ga. - McDonough police have arrested four young men in connection with a violent attack that happened outside a bar in the Henry County city.
The four men surrendered Monday. One more suspect is not yet in custody.
McDonough police arrested Joshua Rashad Berry, 19, Mondarius Head, 19, Montez Quendarius McKibben, 20, and Oreterro Chanez Watson, 19, all of Jackson, on charges of aggravated assault.
Investigators say the suspects all played football at Jackson High School in Butts County. Several of them are now playing college football.
Authorities say their high school football coach played a key role in persuading the suspects to surrender.
The victim, 22-year-old Davis Do, was attacked while celebrating his birthday with his girlfriend. He suffered a broken jaw and other injuries, and was hospitalized for several days.
Do will undergo another medical procedure tomorrow.
The suspects all face aggravated battery and affray charges. The men who have surrendered are expected to appear in court Tuesday.
Why, are they going to be awarded Jewish Medals of Valor, instead?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:49 pm |
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no they are good kids.
they beat a dude so his girlfriend and bar bouncers thought he WAS DEAD but they are good kids
the main question was... do these good kids have to lose their scholarships over this unfortunate incident, from which they have learned many life lessons etc
again these are not white racists. they are not russian bigots destroying jewish businesses. these are good black kids. kids in college. kids who turned themselves in.
this is not a hate crime. I'm sure Frank would concur. these are good kids. |
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temuchin wrote: this is not a hate crime. I'm sure Frank would concur. these are good kids.
I mean, if these were 5 large, White football players who shouted racist slurs at a Black guy for being with a White woman - and then senselessly beat him to a pulp for that...that wouldn't be labeled a "hate crime" either.
Because a "hate crime" is totally different than that. (It is specifically defined as any interracial crime where the victim is Black or Jewish and the attacker is neither Black nor Jewish. Whereas if the attacker is Black, then it's just an unfortunate incident by a raceless "kid" irregardless.)
As the newscast said - the main concern is not for Mr. Do, but the attackers' football careers! Which might *gasp* possibly be in jeopardy now!! What a crying shame! Maybe we should start a support fund for them? |
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